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PinnerPaul

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Was AR yesterday for an U19 academy game.

Not fair to identify teams but the senior versions of these teams are in league 2 and the PL respectively.
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Home team insist on wearing black because 'That is our home colour'. Away team none to happy and both ask the referee to wear a bib - which he rightly refuses to do.

We did ask home team if they had any coloured referee shirts on the ground (Match played on astro at senior teams home ground complex).

They replied yes they did but it was only to be used for referees refereeing younger age groups. Referee enquired if we could just borrow them for this game.

'Sorry, then they will need to be washed before Saturday'. As it was Wednesday afternoon, the referee asked why this was a problem. The answer 'The lady who does the washing only works Monday and Wednesday mornings'

Apparently this was 5th game of the season and lo and behold the same problem has come up each time. Referee decided to go ahead with the game as away team had travelled a fair distance. 1st half went OK BUT the colour clash was compounded by the fact that home team did not have numbered shirts, meaning from behind some players looked identical to the referee. At half time away team not happy (They were in control and leading and ended up winning comfortably) and insisted that referee wear a bib.

He refused - well done him - and we played out the 2nd half.

He is going to ring the league and report colour clash and lack of numbers. Whether anything will be done, who knows - but considering the 'seniority' of the club and the facilities on site, I was amazed by both the clash and lack of numbers.
 
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Pretty sure that any academy team playing in black have to provide a suitable shirt for the referee, so they should probably think about buying a second one then!
 
Maybe it's different in England but shouldn't you have had a second colour of top to wear to avoid clash also? In Scotland, we need to bring two different colours (black and a colour) to avoid clash if one of the teams can't change.
 
boulderdomb said:
Maybe it's different in England but shouldn't you have had a second colour of top to wear to avoid clash also? In Scotland, we need to bring two different colours (black and a colour) to avoid clash if one of the teams can't change.
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Not at this level. Coloured shirts only allowed at FL and PL I believe. Certainly none of the many competitions I officiate on allow anything other than black for the officials.
 
Coloured shirts got done to death in the summer lol. Some counties allow them some dont. However if efl / pl academies are insistent on wearing black they should supply the spares.
 
Colour shirts have been authorised from this season, but they're still entirely optional for referees and teams are still supposed to not be wearing black or dark navy kits. I've only met one ref who bothered getting one, and he bemoaned the fact that it felt like a waste of money as he never had an opportunity to use it.

I've also done an academy game where the away team turned up in a black/colour striped kit matching their 1st team kit, but they had the good sense to turn up with a full set of clean silver referee tops in a range of sizes, which we changed into happily. I'd expect that from any well organised side, they should know better than to expect a referee to wear a bib.
 
PinnerPaul said:
Not at this level. Coloured shirts only allowed at FL and PL I believe. Certainly none of the many competitions I officiate on allow anything other than black for the officials.
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Sorry Paul, I think that U19 academy teams are allowed to wear black kits. Clubs which are affiliated to PL & FL clubs are allowed to wear black kits.

Alex Rush-Fear said:
Pretty sure that any academy team playing in black have to provide a suitable shirt for the referee, so they should probably think about buying a second one then!
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PinnerPaul said:
He is going to ring the league and report colour clash and lack of numbers. Whether anything will be done, who knows - but considering the 'seniority' of the club and the facilities on site, I was amazed by both the clash and lack of numbers.
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While reporting for lack of numbers is correct, the other issue is that the Home club should have confirmed their colours to the referee in advance of the fixture. At that time, they should have mentioned they would be wearing black, allowing him to consider his options.
 
I remember once officiating Barnet U16 who were the away team. They showed up in their black kit and both teams seemed surprised I refused to put a bib on. Apparently I have an ego:rolleyes:
 
HarryD said:
I remember once officiating Barnet U16 who were the away team. They showed up in their black kit and both teams seemed surprised I refused to put a bib on. Apparently I have an ego:rolleyes:
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I can help with that, just need to know one thing; inflation or deflation.......?
 
Right here we go!
Watched you in your last game. Utter ****e! How did they ever let you have a whistle? What about that incident in the second half, how wrong could you be? Referee?
Enough for now?
 
I once had a team that turned up in a mainly black kit with a V on the front, They asked me to wear a bib and i too refused arguing that enough crap enough to pass to a 50 year rotund old plodder in all black and different socks didn't deserve to be on the pitch and they had two choices, like it or lump it!! We played the game with no problems!!
 
lincs22 said:
Sorry Paul, I think that U19 academy teams are allowed to wear black kits. Clubs which are affiliated to PL & FL clubs are allowed to wear black kits.

While reporting for lack of numbers is correct, the other issue is that the Home club should have confirmed their colours to the referee in advance of the fixture. At that time, they should have mentioned they would be wearing black, allowing him to consider his options.
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Agree with that, but short of going out and buying three coloured shirts he wouldn't really have any options. The club wearing black are required to provide three alternate coloured shirts. Usually this is a bit of a joke as they are ALWAYS XXL and therefore smaller referees risk getting lifted off the ground like a kit. The rule is as below ...

Given that the Match Officials shall be wearing black Match uniform, each Member Club shall be aware if there is a risk that its Strip will clash with that of the Match Officials. Where there is such a risk, the obligation shall be on that Member Club to bring an alternative colour shirt (also approved by the Premier League) for the Match Officials to wear
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So, the home team were entirely at fault in this case.
 
You, and the 5? before can easy have put a stop to this long ago?
The LOTG say two teams must wear colours that distinguish themselves from each other and the match officials
I understand doing everything possible to play, teams traveled, etc, but, had ref 1 refused (if the circumstances were the same) and then referee 2, problem would soon be solved
As it is, you are simply passing a problem down to the next referee and nobody has thought to be proactive?
If it came to it, say sorry, no colours that dont clash, no game.
 
In addition, bib, not ideal (and yes I recall the earlier post about it) but, nobody had a training top, warm up top, or even, thought "hey my next game, I think there is a chance team be in black, am gonna carry a white t just in case" (subject to you having no alt ref shirts)
Could not 11 bibs be found and the players wore them? Given the shirt numbers issue anyway?
fail to prepare? Prepare to fail.
 
County’s FA organises ref, and informs them of details - exactly like a Sunday youth game... I’d question why the ref didn’t do his due diligence!
Second colour for Kent fa is yellow, if your doing academy matches - usually your on your county fa ref academy... and frequently liaising with ref coordinator.
However - not perfect, as I spotted a youth cup match with ref team wearing yellow bibs this season!
I did question it and was informed that the team just didn’t read the email with the details!!
 
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