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    What's a "trick"?

    Other people have said this but it's also not logical. If there's a word in a rule and you don't know what that word is then you need to define it some how. You couldn't possibly apply the rule if you didn't have some definition or other in your mind. You might define it as widely as possible...
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    What's a "trick"?

    That doesn't make sense my guy. A judge determines the weight to give the historic judgment when the matter comes before them. They determine, at that time, whether the judgment is persuasive or binding (or whatever) . It's not a two stage process where every historic judgment begins as...
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    What's a "trick"?

    That's just not true. As a general matter, there's no rule which sets out which decisions are and are not binding. A deputy District Judge in the County Court is entitled to ignore the Supreme Court if he can distinguish the case on the facts. That caveat aside, historic decisions in...
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    What's a "trick"?

    Fair. That makes total sense. In my post at 1.38 pm (#20 in this thread) I suggested that perhaps the reason posters in here would blow the whistle is because they define the spirit of the law differently. But, just by way of observation, you are now at odds with the majority of posters in...
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    What's a "trick"?

    Och you're just not seeing my point.
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    What's a "trick"?

    Well you should if they relate to current law! Same as court judgements from decades ago! It's still applicable. Not football related but worth noting.
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    What's a "trick"?

    I am typing this prior to reading that Introduction you have recommended, but I think we agree on the part in bold. I personally think the definition of "trick" remains a gap and so a circular offering a definition of that word would be relevant. From the discussion on here, it seems the word...
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    What's a "trick"?

    (^ Referring to the idea that all circulars pre-dating 1 June 2020 should be ignored) Probably on the basis of habit. It is my habit to assume that authorities continue to have effect until such time as they are repealed or contradicted. I would not assume that all FIFA Circulars cease to have...
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    What's a "trick"?

    Ah, well, it feels fairly simple to me. :)
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    What's a "trick"?

    I feel like that is a bit of a fudge as it would suggest all circulars prior to 1 June 2020 should be ignored - the presumption being if they were deemed to carry weight they would have been incorporated into the latest edition of the laws? It doesn't feel that complicated to me. Objectively...
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    What's a "trick"?

    You have explained the decision that you would give on the field of play, absolutely. I fully appreciate that. But my instinct - probably because of my job as a solicitor - is to go back to the source material for the offence. I think that given the emphasis on this forum about being "correct in...
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    What's a "trick"?

    You have not understood what I am saying. There are two offences: firstly, a goalkeeper picking up a back pass. Secondly, circumventing the first using a trick. The second offence requires the trick to be an attempt to circumvent both the text and spirt of the first. Discussion regarding "the...
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    What's a "trick"?

    I actually think your analysis here ^ is incorrect based on the text of the FIFA Circular. The FIFA Circular states the following: "The offence is committed by the player in attempting to circumvent both the text and the spirit of Law 12, and the referee must only be convinced that this was the...
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    What's a "trick"?

    I am still conflicted about whether the scenario I previously saw would be a breach of the rule. The following bit is interesting from the FIFA Circular: I haven't researched this so may be wrong but I think the rule was introduced to stop players time wasting by passing the ball backwards and...
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    What's a "trick"?

    Thanks for that. It all comes down to interpretation then. I am a litigation solicitor so in my job I am used to the meaning of every word being argued about and eventually clarified by a judge. Is there a similar body of decisions or interpretations anywhere that would help someone understand...
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