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Discussion in 'Laws of the game' started by zarathustra, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. zarathustra

    zarathustra Well-Known Member Level 6 Referee

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    I don’t officiate on any leagues which use Sin Bins.

    Now that we are I to the season, what are the thoughts of those who are (un)lucky enough to have to use Sin Bins?

    The biggest question is have you noticed a decrease in dissent?

    Also, are they as hard to administer as they seem?
     
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  4. DB

    DB Well-Known Member

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    Notable change in behaviour in Cornwall - that’s the opinion of quite a few of the referees that I have spoken too.

    Games have been lost due to teams being a man (or two) down. That’s been noticed so teams are doing more to prevent this. I’ve been part of two games where I have had a chat with a player only for the manager on the sidelines to realise its last chance saloon, subsequently substituting the player.

    Those that don’t support the sin bin do not understand it from all perspectives.
     
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  5. Padfoot

    Padfoot The Enlightened One

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    No difference in behaviour on our 'trialist' leagues, quite the reverse....as anticipated, causing more grief for referees to the point where some are stopping accepting appointments on those leagues.

    Sooner it's sacked off the better. Just start doubling the sanctions for dissent/OFFINABUS and the message will soon be received.
     
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    DB Well-Known Member

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    Shock response from Padders... :rolleyes:
     
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    UKColt Well-Known Member Level 6 Referee

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    I was very sceptical about sin bins, but on the SAL in London I have noticed a difference in dissent this season. There have definitely been scenarios where a player would have 'taken' a yellow card for dissent previously, but now will button it due to the threat of a sin bin.

    The bigger issue for me is the number of permutations created by the fact that dissent no longer counts as a 'proper' yellow card in terms of S7.
     
  8. JamesL

    JamesL Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    A few people have looked at the table of permutations and have commented the same. Do you think it would be easier if sin bins carried a different colour card?

    At the moment you just need to remember each scenario and the relevant punishment and a different colour card might help with the memory side.

    For example a blue card

    1st Blue card = sin bin player can return
    1 blue + 1 yellow = sinbin, player can continue as 1 caition
    2 blues = sinbin player cant return can be replaced by sub following sinbin

    So on and so forth..
     
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    Yampy Well-Known Member Level 5 Referee

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    Similarly from you, Sir.
    Two people with opposing views, each looking at the statistics to suit their own view of the situation.
     
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  10. zarathustra

    zarathustra Well-Known Member Level 6 Referee

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    The problem with evaluating the effectiveness of Sin Bins is that they are being trialled in local leagues for the most part.

    Discipline varies from area to area and League to League.

    The discipline on my Saturday league is generally pretty good. Where as the Sunday league is definitely worse for discipline, but no where near as bad as the stories you hear from leagues in other areas.

    So while they are effective in League A, Sin Bins might fail miserably in League B.

    While I could see an argument for Sin Bins in the younger age groups of youth football, I think that in OA the punishments for players and teams should be tougher.

    If people don’t like getting fined/banned then they should stop acting like tits. And if clubs have players who are repeat offenders, then the club should also be punished.
     
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    Alex Rush-Fear Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    I think a punishment of 10 minutes of the FoP is a greater punishment for a player than having to pay £10 (or even £20, to reference a suggestion made in a previous post).

    On the Dorset Premier League (Step 7) it appears to have had some impact. The league was below the national average for dissent cautions last season (~20% compared to the average of ~25%) - I haven't worked out percentages this season yet but from the relatively few sin bins there have been I'd guess it's going to be 10-15%.
     
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  12. zarathustra

    zarathustra Well-Known Member Level 6 Referee

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    True, and I imagine it will be more effective as a deterrent the further up the pyramid you go. And I imagine it might be easier to manage when you have 3 officials.

    How do people who have to manage this as a lone referee get on? Can’t be easy keeping track of game time, stoppages and possibly multiple players in the Sin bin all with different lengths of time left.
     

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