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I would like to have your opinion about a situation occured in a friendly match between amateur teams in Greece.

A defending player is under pressure and tries to play the ball back to his own goalkeeper. The attacking player has a very minimum contact with the ball the moment the pass is given, without changing it's route. The deflection is the most minimum you can imagine, only a slight noise reveals that the attacking player has touched the ball. The goalkeeper handles the ball and the referee awards an indirect free kick. What's your call?

Thanks in advance!
 
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in my opinion if in the referees opinion the attacker had a touch of the ball, no matter how slight, it resets it. no action taken against the keeper
 
Happened at Celtic v Aberdeen in SPL, ref awarded a "pass back" however the 4th saw a touch and game restarted with a drop ball.
 
On this matter I reffed a women's game on the weekend where the defender (in the box) moved their foot towards the ball (came quickly to her from another player) with no real intent of passing it back to the goalkeeper and 'passed' it back to the goalkeeper. (It wasn't a deflection off the defender that carried to the keeper nor was it a pass. She more or less saw it very late and moved her foot towards the ball which resulted in the 'pass'.)

It's hard to explain but it was a backpass for all intents and purposes except there was no 'intent'. The ball probably traveled 5.0m in total. It was clear to me it was an 'accidental' backpass if there is even such a thing.

I waved play on and the GK kicked it out. Everyone else was yelling 'backpass'.

Just wondering if that was the right thing to do.

Edit: After the 'backpass' the GK picked it up.
 
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Murri O said:
On this matter I reffed a women's game on the weekend where the defender (in the box) moved their foot towards the ball (came quickly to her from another player) with no real intent of passing it back to the goalkeeper and 'passed' it back to the goalkeeper. (It wasn't a deflection off the defender that carried to the keeper nor was it a pass. She more or less saw it very late and moved her foot towards the ball which resulted in the 'pass'.)

It's hard to explain but it was a backpass for all intents and purposes except there was no 'intent'. The ball probably traveled 5.0m in total. It was clear to me it was an 'accidental' backpass if there is even such a thing.

I waved play on and the GK kicked it out. Everyone else was yelling 'backpass'.

Just wondering if that was the right thing to do.
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Given you make no refernce to the gk using her hands, then yes, without question you have done nothing contary to the lotg
 
Apologies for not making that clear. The GK picked the ball up. Players and the bench were calling for a backpass. I called play on and the GK kicked it out. I will edit the above to make that clearer.
 
Ok by your own words, it was accidently in your opinion, therefore, not deliberate.
Although what actually is "waving play on" ? There is no such signal. Nothing in the LOTG. Indeed, the LOTG make reference to not using unauthorised signals. So, you have invented your own signal? You have found a "wave play on" signal in the LOTG that is not really there? Or, you have seen some similar signal on tv and thought hey, I will do that?
No such thing as waving play on. If your not going to penalise something, don't. Its that's simple
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Ok by your own words, it was accidently in your opinion, therefore, not deliberate.
Although what actually is "waving play on" ? There is no such signal. Nothing in the LOTG. Indeed, the LOTG make reference to not using unauthorised signals. So, you have invented your own signal? You have found a "wave play on" signal in the LOTG that is not really there? Or, you have seen some similar signal on tv and thought hey, I will do that?
No such thing as waving play on. If your not going to penalise something, don't. Its that's simple
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I meant the advantage signal. I raised one arm and pointed up field and said 'play on'.
 
You really need a refresh on your application of the LOTG.
If the potential fk was going to be to the other team, then how can you signal advantage following the alleged infringement?
Advantage only applies when there is a benefit to the team who have been wronged.
So in your game, you are dismissing a foul claim by the attackers (the ones who benefit from advantage) and then signalling an advantage to the defending team?
No wonder players get confused !
 
Play on, is not advantage !
Page 46 of the 2016 2017 LOTG tells you everything you need to know about the definition of advantage
You have a totally incorrect interpretation of the facts which make up this text
 
Mate I know I'm new to this site but please calm down. The ball went back to the keeper, the keeper picked it up, players were appealing for a backpass so to move the game along I raised my arm, yelled out 'play on' and moved towards the centre circle to where the ball was likely to be kicked.

That's all.
 
Let's be kind... there is no "play on" signal but it is common to say something like... "not deliberate, play on".

In the case where you want to clearly explain to the world that you are denying a penalty appeal it is common to "cut the grass" with your hands. Again, this isn't it the laws, but it is commonly used - but I don't think that is appropriate here.

The best advice I have been given is to talk more to the players: "good tackle", "fine for me", "play on", "free kick, no advantage here", "hurry it up", "no holding"... whatever works for you... it all helps your match control, keeps the game moving, prevents whinging etc.
 
Murri O said:
Mate I know I'm new to this site but please calm down. The ball went back to the keeper, the keeper picked it up, players were appealing for a backpass so to move the game along I raised my arm, yelled out 'play on' and moved towards the centre circle to where the ball was likely to be kicked.

That's all.
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Which it totally incorrect and causes problems the next week when a referee does things correctly and the players get confused as to your actions the week before
In short, neither in the LOTG nor indeed common sense, can or should you signal "advantage" when the attacking team indeed have no "Advantage"
Attacking team appeal for decision. You don't award it yet apply "Advantage" to the defending team? Its not even logical
Had I been observing this I would be asking your association manager to remove you from fixtures for the time being.
Play on, and advantage, are not even close to being the same thing. And awarding a perceived advantage to the potentially offending team takes things to a whole new level !!
 
I wasn't applying 'advantage'. I was denying the appeals for a 'backpass'.

There was no bloody advantage.
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Which it totally incorrect and causes problems the next week when a referee does things correctly and the players get confused as to your actions the week before

In short, neither in the LOTG nor indeed common sense, can or should you signal "advantage" when the attacking team indeed have no "Advantage"

Attacking team appeal for decision. You don't award it yet apply "Advantage" to the defending team? Its not even logical

Had I been observing this I would be asking your association manager to remove you from fixtures for the time being.

Play on, and advantage, are not even close to being the same thing. And awarding a perceived advantage to the potentially offending team takes things to a whole new level !!

As for advice, a simple shout of "on you go" or "not intentional" is all that's needed.
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Or presumably 'play on' would also suffice. ('Not intentional' would probably be the best thing to yell as you say but it wasn't the first thing that came to mind.) In any case I hardly think that yelling 'play on' and raising an arm warrants a suspension by my association.

Far out, I'm out of here.
 
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