A Freethinker
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"Had he been out of control" Sorry how do you stop yourself mid-air in the middle of a challenge at pace and apparently having been pushed and having NO CONTROL, allegedly for the appeal due to a push?
Stoke V Leicester
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PinnerPaul
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As clear;y means "without doubt; obviously". I'm not sure a marginal decision can ever be called "clearly"
My point is that the explanation of why the officials did/did not make the "correct" decision is hardly ever discussed ie it is sometimes b*****y difficult to do so for a number of reasons as we all know.
Peter Grove
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Then we'll have to agree to disagree because I'm quite sure that it can - when you're using a freeze frame. Look at it this way - if the pundits had looked at a freeze frame showing (as it did) that the attacker's foot was clearly and without doubt closer to the opponent's goal line than the ball and the second last opponent and then said it wasn't possible to say whether he was offside or not, we would be entitled to berate them for not knowing the offside law.
Well, although this still nothing to do with their knowledge of the Laws, I'm going to have to disagree again. Maybe we're watching different pundits (or just seeing them through different eyes) but I have been quite pleasantly surprised by how often they make the point that while they can sit in the studio and judge an incident using multiple replays, multiple camera angles, slow motion and/or freeze frame, the officials only get to see it once in real time. No, they don't always make that point but they do it often enough as to make it noticeable, for me at least.
All tackles come off the ground, unless its a standing tackle so are all tackles out of control ?
No the point being made is that a sliding tackle can be controlled much more. Friction from the ground will slow it down and potentially reduce the force on impact. A two footed tackle has almost no contact with the ground so any controlling or restraining force is lacking. The challenge continues until something gets in the way - either the ground when gravity wins, or the opponent's body. All of the force in the challenge is passed to one or the other hence the increased risk of injury with these challenges
In short, no, although it's a sensible question to ask. However what you're looking at there is the outcome of the challenge. The intention to play the ball and the actual playing of it are not indicative of control. A player doing so has achieved his intention.
In this instance control is used to describe a restraining force.
With both feet off of the ground there is no restraining force, beyond that of gravity. Momentum will continue almost unimpeded until such time as a physical barrier is met, be this the ground, ball or the opponent. A sliding challenge however will generate friction, creating drag and allowing the player potentially to pull out or withdraw from the challenge. With both feet off the ground the tackling player is unable to do this, because of the lack of restraining force, hence the control is lost.
I hope you've donned your trusty elbow patches after that Physics lesson Professor Teasmaid!! It was like a blast from my distant past!!! 
Apologies for tonight Teasmaid, I was looking forward to some Northamptonshire hospitality... Where does flat beer start? Is it past the Watford Gap?