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I'm disappointed in myself in truth. This week a gave a fairly contentious penalty early in the game (usual thing, two players running together, but of a tangle, forward goes down) against the home side. Cue the usual protest, then the next thing I know the home captain grabbed me from behind by the shoulder and shouts 'how the f*ck was that a penalty?'. I think I know the answer here, but would you have dismissed him? I have no idea why but I only cautioned him, and it was playing on my mind for the rest of the game.
 
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Yep, no reason for a player, captain or not, to lay there hands on us. Or indeed the other way round. I assume the caution was for the dissent element. But don't worry about it, we all make decisions in the heat of battle that we would change when we reflect back. It goes with the job.
I would also stop seeing decisions as contentious, you give yourself reason to doubt yourself when you do. Be confident in what you saw. You have had the training and have been tested on the laws, you are the only neutral person there, and you are also the only one who doesn't really care about the final result.
 
Yea I would of easily of had the easy red going for violent conduct we don't go out to be abused nor do we go out to be assaulted
 
I think you know that red was the correct answer, could have been given just for the tone/language in the question he asked, let alone for the grab. But I don't think you can let it get to you - see it as a learning experience ad try to be stronger if something similar happens in future.

Paul is dead right about seeing decisions as contentious as well and again, I've done the same. Can think of occasions where I didn't feel totally confident about a penalty decision and therefore didn't give a yellow that definitely should have been given once the penalty was awarded. Similarly for dissent - it's much harder to pull the cards out for an arguing player if you're not 100% confident in the decision internally. But you have to just put that out of your head and take the opportunity to draw a line in the sand when they do start to argue.
 
I'll be controversial and say my honest opinion....

If he's forcefully turned me round in anyway then he's walking. If he's touched me to get my attention (without striking, shaking or anything else violent) then I'd remind him of his duties, explain he's lucky I'm taking it in the way I have and cautioned him.

I hope that makes sense?
 
Darius, totally agree regarding levels of contact from players, but as reported he wouldn't have needed to have grazed me to walk in this one. Any player addressing me directly and saying "How the F*** ..." is is using OFFINABUS and he's gone.
 
Red and abandon. That will focus his mind and that of his club. No that is not a joke. It is technical assault and you should abandon. Also if a player does make contact with you, take photos of any affected area, redness, scratches, bruising, cuts, etc. and send them with your report.
 
I agree with a red card Brian but to abandon is a tad strong (as its wrote above) on this occasion.
 
Player clearly grabs the referees shoulder in the Plymouth v Doncaster game (on the highlights) on the first penalty. No card, no abandonment!! ;)
 
No, but that ref didn't do anything ti McCormick and it cost Coppinger a Red. Apologies my Rovers feelings have me going against grain and picking fault at ref there ;-)
 
Danny said:
No, but that ref didn't do anything ti McCormick and it cost Coppinger a Red. Apologies my Rovers feelings have me going against grain and picking fault at ref there ;-)
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Whatever the keeper said, (probably wasn't too complimentary) can't justify Coppinger grabbing him by the throat!!
 
No, your right about Coppinger!

I don't agree with that but isn't the ref within rights to step in and caution Keeper for what he did with Mandeville? If he acts on that then players wouldn't take into own hands?

Easy to say I know! I'm just curious from a refs perspective.
 
From the footage the keeper has obviously said something in the players ear, we can only guess the exact words, :poop::poop::poop:, I agree the ref could have easily shown a card of some description, and stopped what followed quicker, depends what the refs heard (if anything). At any level though Coppinger had to go....
 
red card for the hands on any player who lays hand on the ref I feel is a red card straight away. I do see the to grab attention pov of view but he has a voice and I am sure he is probably using it at the same time. Also any swearing directed at the ref is abusive language but I would mention it in the report as well. I mainly do youth football so don't get much of this but I get great advice from this forum which means I now know how I deal with a lot of situations I haven't faced yet.
 
I cautioned for this last season. It was just a little tug on my shirt to grab my attention. I think a red card in that situation would be totally unnecessary.
 
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. The only person in this thread that really knows what happened is you, so you have better information than anyone else here. I think it all depends on the 'grab'. If he's trying to get your attention in a tactile but non-violent manner then I think there's plenty of wiggle room.

On the other hand, what he says to you sounds pretty aggressive. There's really no pleasant way to say "How the f*ck ..." . So maybe the grab was aggressive too, in which case there's a very good case for a red. But in the circumstances I think this is a very forgivable error.
 
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Red and abandon. That will focus his mind and that of his club. No that is not a joke. It is technical assault and you should abandon.
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While this advice might be endorsed by the CFA, parks football is about having a game. If the match is abandoned then at least 22 players and one ref are punished for the actions of one idiot.
 
Trip said:
While this advice might be endorsed by the CFA, parks football is about having a game. If the match is abandoned then at least 22 players and one ref are punished for the actions of one idiot.
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and that one idiot might go on to atttack the referee
 
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