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Pass Back

I don't tell the players no foul/keep your hands down i'm not doing their job for them either, the only exception is if on a corner being taken and there is a bit of jostling going on in the box i will say " Keep your hands to yourself "....... has served me well for the past 11 years :)

You are probably the exception to the norm then these days I would say. Certainly at level 4 and above proactive communication with players is a requirement, and I'd be worried if I assessed even a level 7 who wasn't doing this.
 
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You are probably the exception to the norm then these days I would say. Certainly at level 4 and above proactive communication with players is a requirement, and I'd be worried if I assessed even a level 7 who wasn't doing this.
I probably am...
 
I don't think it would be match control IMO surely the keeper should know if/when he can pick it up i am surely not going to do his job for him, not caused me any issues so far ....
You're giving the player a lot more credit than he deserves. He's unlikely to know what constitutes deliberately kicked
 
I love the inconsistencies on here among many referees... It's no wonder that the players get frustrated. Last week's ref... Today's ref... Next weeks ref... All different interpretations for the exact same scenario. You give what you give, the way you see it as it happens. That is all you can do.
 
The player hasn't played it by a traditional standard but has purposely redirected an incoming ball to the goalkeeper. Even after reading all of the above I still deem it correct.
 
The player hasn't played it by a traditional standard but has purposely redirected an incoming ball to the goalkeeper. Even after reading all of the above I still deem it correct.

As Brian has already asked though, did he kick the ball? I've seen referees award IDFKs when the ball has been kneed, thighed and even chested back to the keeper, and that is completely wrong. For it to be penalised it has to be kicked, and the only thing you can kick anything with is your foot.
 
As Brian has already asked though, did he kick the ball? I've seen referees award IDFKs when the ball has been kneed, thighed and even chested back to the keeper, and that is completely wrong. For it to be penalised it has to be kicked, and the only thing you can kick anything with is your foot.

Wrong.

Page 86. Read it :)

Completely depends on the scenario.

You are right in what you are saying, but there is a caveat; circumventing. That and a "pass back" (I hate that term) can be very conflicting and sometimes, almost identical.
 
Wrong.

Page 86. Read it :)

Completely depends on the scenario.

You are right in what you are saying, but there is a caveat; circumventing. That and a "pass back" (I hate that term) can be very conflicting and sometimes, almost identical.

A swift edit there @DB

The "circumvent" clause is designed for those occasions where a player might be tempted to flick the ball into the air with his feet then use his head, chest etc etc to play it back to the keeper.
 
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Wrong.

Page 86. Read it :)

Completely depends on the scenario.

You are right in what you are saying, but there is a caveat; circumventing. That and a "pass back" (I hate that term) can be very conflicting and sometimes, almost identical.
In this situation, is the IFK given for the "pass back" or is the IFK given because the referee has to stop play to issue a caution?

I'd argue that those are two significantly separate reasons to give the IFK.
 
Just wanted to clarify that a "pass back" doesn't just mean with the foot. Although we know that to be "circumventing", those not so wise will shout "passssbackkkkk".

It is Important to think as a player aswell as a referee in some situations. As difficult as it seems, I am often aided in my decisions as I watch the game as I try to understand what the players are trying to achieve. E.g (with their skill level not being as high as many think), did they really just mean to do that?!?
 
As Brian has already asked though, did he kick the ball? I've seen referees award IDFKs when the ball has been kneed, thighed and even chested back to the keeper, and that is completely wrong. For it to be penalised it has to be kicked, and the only thing you can kick anything with is your foot.

Yes he used his foot.
 
Just wanted to clarify that a "pass back" doesn't just mean with the foot. Although we know that to be "circumventing", those not so wise will shout "passssbackkkkk".

It is Important to think as a player aswell as a referee in some situations. As difficult as it seems, I am often aided in my decisions as I watch the game as I try to understand what the players are trying to achieve. E.g (with their skill level not being as high as many think), did they really just mean to do that?!?
If the player flicks it up and heads it back to the goalkeeper, it is a trick to circumvent the law. In which case, you stop the game, caution the offender and the IDFK is taken from where he did the trick.

If the players kicks the ball back and the goalkeeper controls the ball with his hands, then the IDFK is taken from where the goalkeeper controlled the ball and no disciplinary action is taken.

Try not to think too much like a player, it may lead to you giving incorrect decisions but don't discard your knowledge as the best referees I've seen were absolute little sh*ts as players and as a consequence know every trick in the book :)
 
If the player flicks it up and heads it back to the goalkeeper, it is a trick to circumvent the law. In which case, you stop the game, caution the offender and the IDFK is taken from where he did the trick.

If the players kicks the ball back and the goalkeeper controls the ball with his hands, then the IDFK is taken from where the goalkeeper controlled the ball and no disciplinary action is taken.

Try not to think too much like a player, it may lead to you giving incorrect decisions but don't discard your knowledge as the best referees I've seen were absolute little sh*ts as players and as a consequence know every trick in the book :)
In my eyes the redirection of an incoming ball purposely towards the GK was enough, although not a traditional 'kick' as he applied no force, it was still a pass using the foot.
 
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